The unforced rhythms of grace...

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Re: The unforced rhythms of grace...

Unread postby musicmonkey » Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:02 pm

Hi Marty,

Can you define "corruption" for me?

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Re: The unforced rhythms of grace...

Unread postby Marty Farrell » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:18 am

Dia annseo isteach!
God to all here!

Greetings Dave,

Define 'corruption'? I guess you mean my understanding of how I've seen it used. Rather than 'defining', like I used to do in my under grad days, let me ask you to listen to preachers, church and televangelists, when they speak of 'the world'. To them, they have bought into the idea that only those who are 'in' the church are good and righteous, although skepticism still abounds, and anything / anyone 'outside' their defined parameters are part of the 'devil's plan'. The message of hate is clear enough in the way they speak of 'the world'. Its always a hope for the future, never anything good anywhere now. Everything is just too corrupt for them! That's Gnosticism!

Celts live in the hope of awakening the Light within all around us. We hold that its still there because of His presence within all life. He is the daily Source for all existence and we are never far from Him!

Hope this helped a little better...

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Re: The unforced rhythms of grace...

Unread postby musicmonkey » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:53 pm

Greetings Marty,

Hmmm... I think all true followers of Christ live in hope of ushering in our Father's Kingdom. Watch this video, for example. I think an increasing number of preachers and churches do not share the worldview that you describe. Remember too that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Here's one of my favourite quotes by C.S. Lewis:

In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis wrote:The world does not consist of 100 percent Christians and 100 percent non-Christians. There are people (a great many of them) who are slowly ceasing to be Christians but who still call themselves by that name: some of them are clergymen.

There are other people who are slowly becoming Christians though they do not yet call themselves so. There are people who do not accept the full Christian doctrine about Christ but who are so strongly attracted by Him that they are His in a much deeper sense than they themselves understand.

There are people in other religions who are being led by God’s secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it. For example, a Buddhist of good will may be led to concentrate more and more on the Buddhist teaching about mercy and to leave in the background (though he might still say he believed) the Buddhist teaching on certain other points. Many of the good Pagans long before Christ’s birth may have been in this position. And always, of course, there are a great many people who are just confused in mind and have a lot of inconsistent beliefs all jumbled up together. Consequently, it is not much use trying to make judgments about Christians and non-Christians in the mass.


That said, I think that Jesus basically told us that we can't keep "The Law" on our own. Call it selfishness, original sin or corruption, we can't be "good" without His help.

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Re: The unforced rhythms of grace...

Unread postby Marty Farrell » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:03 pm

Hey Dave,

Thanks for the link to the video. I'm glad to see our concerns are being met elsewhere in Christianity. Perhaps there are people who can see beyond the pettiness of their own factions. The ones I'm dealing with, however, are as I've described to you.

Hopefully, some of our understandings of CC may be of use in the future...

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Re: The unforced rhythms of grace...

Unread postby musicmonkey » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:16 pm

Marty Farrell wrote:The ones I'm dealing with, however, are as I've described to you.


Who are you dealing with?

Did you like the video?


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